Josi (O-Josi-O) ([info]eris_devotee) wrote,
@ 2009-06-02 09:13:00
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The collapse of print media has been covered as if it were a sign of the End Times, because those from within either cannot see or do not wish to expose some of the real reasons publishers are folding in the Age of Information.

People in print media are used to wielding the power of their reach - whether it is a political endorsement, a product review, the wording of an article, the decision to run with a story, the models chosen for a photo shoot, the novels that might get optioned into films, etc etc etc... all those things meant the people who can get your name in print without you having to pay an advertising fee *always* got the best seats in the house. Which, of course, leads to a circle of glad-handing and reach-arounds and yes-men... it leads to the notion that content is meaningless because *they* create the trends.

Then came the internet, and slowly they saw their audiences dribble away to better writing, to a form of editorial that could be more honest without advertisers to appease, to street level photography done by people local to the issues...

and print media rolled their eyes, took shots at the legitimacy of the new wave, and *eschewed* the internet as beneath their standards. The dribble turned into a steady stream of people who went to Snopes & Gawker & The Chicagoist. And print media conceded they needed a web presence, so they slapped together websites that had the exact same content as their printed media and then they wondered why they were suddenly selling even fewer issues. They shook their fists at the internet and called bloggers unwelcome interlopers, unprofessional dilettantes with no constraints or ethics. They warned us all about the folly of trusting internet sources.

And I think the truth is that print media is full of self-important luddites who became unaccustomed to paying people what their skills are worth. Publishers, after all, have long lists of people who just want to see their name in the byline no matter what the paycheck. Craft publishing is especially like this. But those with the skills to put together a media conglomerate's website aren't likely to take a pay cut just because they are working for a publisher, and publishers weren't used to people who didn't want to impress them.

So the dribble turned into a flood and by then it was too late. If your website isn't functioning/attractive and if you cannot deliver your content digitally, you will not be successful in any information/entertainment medium because those with good websites and digital content will easily and quickly eclipse your product.



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[info]skamamawa
2009-06-02 03:06 pm UTC (link)
True, but until prices for technology like electronic readers come down, people will still buy print.

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[info]eris_devotee
2009-06-02 03:41 pm UTC (link)
Who needs an electronic reader when there are laptops? Readers aren't the answer - better wifi and cheaper laptops are a much better solution that readers, imo.

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[info]eris_devotee
2009-06-02 03:44 pm UTC (link)
or larger format Blackberrys/iPhones also seem like a better option than readers. I don't get the Kindle, at all. It's way too klunky for what it does, it's too limited a piece of technology for the space it takes up.

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[info]knottie
2009-06-02 03:53 pm UTC (link)
Amen on the Kindle. One of those tiny new notebooks would be more useful for not much more money.


On the newspaper vs web argument I don't have much to say--I was never a newspaper reader to start with. I read the comics and did the puzzles; I get most of my news from NPR, some from the big news sites.

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[info]skamamawa
2009-06-02 04:39 pm UTC (link)
I meant portable, easy to use reading technology like iPhones, Blackberry's or even readers. But there is no way I can throw my laptop into my purse like I can a book, magazine, or folded newspaper. If I want a particular article or pattern I have to print it out before I can take it with me. Plus the low cost of maintenance in keeping a book, mag, or newspaper is far cheaper and easier to use than the cost of keeping a laptop with battery, printer, paper. If I could download a book, magazine, pattern, and/or newspaper to a reader or PDA phone it would certainly be easier than carrying all of those things in my bag, but again it's $200+ monthly costs I can't afford.

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[info]eris_devotee
2009-06-02 04:55 pm UTC (link)
Most high school students in honors classes carry around their laptops, and so do many current college students - and they will continue to do such after their educations are over. They don't need to print stuff.

And you can get better plans than 200+/mo, can't you? Especially if someone doesn't also have a landline phone and DSL at home, but instead just has a tricked out blackberry 3G connection - there's not that much of an increase in costs, especially for the younguns who have become accustomed to being constantly in contact with their peers.

The monthly costs are coming down, too - especially as those kids start to graduate from college and their parents stop paying their cell phone bills... the companies have to get competitive with pricing if they want to keep the next batch of "adults" as customers.

Laura has been giving me feedback about the Tension website as it looks on web-enabled cell phones and I am scouring the design forums for information about formatting for this technology. Hopefully by the first issue, I'll have a button people can click which will send them to an iPhone friendly version. But it might take a little longer for me to work out those kinks because I don't have a cell phone of any variety, so testing it out is a PITA.

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[info]skamamawa
2009-06-02 05:34 pm UTC (link)
I meant that the phones are $200 (iPhone) then it's about $70/month for just one phone, add another for husband, then a regular phone for daughter next year and the cost starts to get a little loopy for a freelancer. We don't have a landline, but we do have VoIP, which is cheap and mostly because not everyone in my house has a mobile. We also have high speed for business and VoIP purposes.

As the prices come down, for exactly the reason you predict, we'll reevaluate.
My 9 year old is saving up for a mini laptop, so she's already part of that new generation. Imagine how small laptops will be in 10 years when she's in college. By then, digital media will outsell it's print counterpart.

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[info]knottie
2009-06-02 06:22 pm UTC (link)
Have you checked out the mobile emulators out there? I haven't tried to do that kind of design myself yet, but they look like they might work for getting out the basic kinks. The iPhone tester looks especially cool.

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[info]eris_devotee
2009-06-05 05:01 pm UTC (link)
Do you have a favorite way to deal with drop-down menus? I normally avoid them, but I have a situation where I have to use them. Pure CSS seems more trouble than its worth when you have to account for IE6 and below...

PS - thanks for the link to the iPhone tester. That will come in handy!

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[info]pills
2009-06-02 03:34 pm UTC (link)
I LOVE YOU/THIS

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[info]eris_devotee
2009-06-02 03:45 pm UTC (link)
SMOOCH.

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[info]lynnbo_momo
2009-06-02 04:32 pm UTC (link)
I agree. As a writer who played that game for a bit, I became disgusted with people who would do print start-ups with no money to pay the talent. It's a fucked-up backwards model and was destined to crash eventually. You can't sustain a business with people who work for little or for free - the good people don't need clips or exposure and they are the ones with know-how you need for good stories.

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[info]eris_devotee
2009-06-02 04:45 pm UTC (link)
Yup - and that's exactly what is taking the most care/concern with starting up Tension Magazine - being able to ensure we meet our contract obligations to our writers and designers.

One of the ways we are handling the need to be extra careful about costs until we have some revenue is to give people a raise in pay after they've worked with us for 4 issues (which equates to 1 year). This does 2 things: it defers those higher costs into the future, and it rewards the people who we feel good about working with (and who feel good about working with us).

What do you feel are good rates for writing in a magazine like Tension? Your honest opinion in this is really appreciated.

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[info]lynnbo_momo
2009-06-02 08:13 pm UTC (link)
hmmm. are you talking about technical pieces or features?

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[info]eris_devotee
2009-06-02 08:16 pm UTC (link)
features

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[info]lynnbo_momo
2009-06-02 10:01 pm UTC (link)
I would pay by the word, though it would be interesting to put together a model that accounts for particulars involved in each pitch - how many interviews, travel, expert opinions, research.

A dime a word? That's a low-bottom price, but might be a good starting point. I'm in the Minneapolis area, so that's just my pov.

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[info]skamamawa
2009-06-02 04:41 pm UTC (link)
Totally agree that print is worse when it comes to not being on top of current information and being under the direction of the publishing company.

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[info]woozie281
2009-06-02 09:19 pm UTC (link)
AND THE SISTER SAID..... AMEN! SISTER HALLELUJAH!

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[info]infinitehaiku
2009-06-02 09:23 pm UTC (link)
I agree that digital media are huge and getting larger.
However....

You can't really read your laptop in the bathtub or in the pool.
Kids (little ones especially) benefit from having the newspaper delivered each and every morning to their doorstep, and plundering its pages before the adults are up. They get to read over each others' shoulders, cut things out, color on it, become friendly with the printed word.
They (and I) get to do the crossword and read the funnies while sitting on the porch, and truly, I don't feel the love when I try that on my laptop.

And I've read waaay too much crap on the internet written by so-called 'experts' whose experience runs to maybe reading some websites and going to a convention or two. With much writing done WITHOUT peer-reviewed and edited sites, people can get a lot of misinformation from slick sources that LOOK authoritative.

I like the "on the street" writing done by many, but as you know from your crochet business, the world is crawling with wanna-be writers and Authorities with laptops and too much time on their uninspired, untrained, uneducated hands.

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[info]eris_devotee
2009-06-02 09:50 pm UTC (link)
I understand that some people have romantic feelings about holding the paper in their hands. I don't have that at all. I prefer reading off of my laptop - I like trees too much to view paper printing as anything but a waste of resources (printing is an UGLY NASTY DIRTY business).

And if you really want to read something in the pool or tub, you can print it out - and that way, you *only* print the stuff you really want to read, and not all the advertising and the stuff you don't want to read.

Fox News proves credibility and peer review have nothing at all to do with modern journalism, regardless of the medium. People Magazine & The Sun lives by rumor and innuendo. The "History" Channel is more filled with sensational supposition than with documentary. It teaches kids about "buyer beware" when it comes to sources, instead of lulling them into the false sense of security that "legitimate" news agencies wanted us to place in their product. But as far as I can tell, it was the bloggers on the internet that took the most exception to Bush & Co, and it was a full 6 years before the mainstream media had the balls to stand up to Cheney about the war. The mainstream media loved the "shock & awe" campaign, ate up Bush's declaration of victory... so I don't have a lot of faith that they give the best information about anything at all. So maybe nowadays people will start applying the notion of bias to every bit of information they consume... at least the smart ones...

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[info]infinitehaiku
2009-06-02 09:25 pm UTC (link)
So I guess it's a case of "non-buyer beware," right?

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[info]eris_devotee
2009-06-02 09:51 pm UTC (link)
hahahahaha - I wrote my reply to your other comment before I read this... LOL...

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[info]skander
2009-06-02 10:19 pm UTC (link)
I believe you'll find this article entertaining:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/may/07/rupert-murdoch-charging-websites

"News Corp will charge for newspaper websites, says Rupert Murdoch"

Good luck with that.

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[info]eris_devotee
2009-06-03 11:48 am UTC (link)
Charging for content one can get elsewhere for free is a losing game. What would probably work better for Murdoch's audience is charging them for their 15 minutes. Instead of selling ad space, sell editorial space... lol.

Murdoch & friends just don't get the internet because it is opposite of their M.O. They are used to casting the widest net possible, seeking the lowest common denominator - and that's the opposite of the internet, which caters to niche markets and special interest groups. "News for all" is never going to turn a profit on the internet, but people *will* pay for a subscription to an news aggregator of a specific topic (a specific medical condition, for instance) or for access to genre content (crochet, foot fetish porn, etc).

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[info]randi_black
2009-06-03 02:15 am UTC (link)
Bravo. After going through the submission process for my novel, I'd rather just chill and hone my craft for now. When it's time again, I'm thinking of going digital instead.

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[info]eris_devotee
2009-06-10 12:57 pm UTC (link)
hey girl - can you send me an email (josi@iamintheloop.com)
from an email address you check often?

I have a paid writing gig (for literary smut) I'd like to offer you.

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